ThePirateBay owners have been sentenced to one year imprisonment, and intend to move to a higher court for an appeal. But their spirit had been undaunted, and the users of their site have mixed feelings. They are sad, as well as filled with rage. They wish to Boycott the ISP's that log their IP's in the Copyright Infringement battle. There have been 5000 new members of the Swedish Pirate Party just one day after the verdict. The users have placed ThePirateBay at the position of Jesus, with their thought that just four people are taking all the pain for the service of all the pirates out there in the World, who use their site (duh!). Out of revenge, the people have stopped buying even the few original CD's and DVD's they earlier bought. Some of their Arguments are (quite ridiculous):
People are gathering money at many places to help ThePirateBay pay the fines which are so evident to be charged from it. But ThePirateBay owners say that they are not going to pay any fines(can it be?).
The point is that all think ThePirateBay is just a file 'sharing' community, just like a ibrary, where people who cannot pay for things go and download them.
People have created sites like
What the people don't understand is that software piracy is really a crime, and it's justification is not admissible.
But even then, the people and ThePirateBay have some chances, as you can read here.
The Pirate Spirit seems to be living perpetually. People retaliate ThePirateBay verdict.
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What you do not understand is that thePirateBay does not have stored any copyrighted material on their servers, nor it streams copyrighted(or any other) material through its servers. It is just a torrent search engine.
Software "piracy" is a crime under some countrie's laws, but the Pirate bay does not commit software piracy any more than google or yahoo does.
I would dare say that bribing of public servants, threats against life and property, stealing of other peoples' intelectual property and present it as own and other dozens of real crimes commited by "copyright holders" are much more severe than any piracy ever commited by anyone(and the pirate bay does not commit piracy).
Less severe crimes, but crimes nevertheless, are the production of DVDs/CDs that refuse the rights of the buyers, like the right to create a backup copy of the bought DVD/CD, by using technology that disables copying.
In addition, to charge insane fees for a replacement of a damaged DVD(but one that is already bought-thus the fees for "copyright" are paid- and only the value of the replacement medium(CD/DVD) should be charged) is also a crime.
To produce "enterntainment" that is buggy and causes you more rage than joy and yet claim "no waranties of any kind" for the use of a software(game) that you charge 50 E per copy is a crime.
The "copyright holders" violate our rights every single day in this world, commiting crimes against us, but no court ever convicts them.
The pirate bay have commited no crime, and a corrupt judge(having ties to the copyright holder's companies) convicted it. Some justice...
Because something is law does not make it just. Because something is a crime does not make it immoral. Civil disobedience, in the tradition of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. is a perfectly valid means of protesting unjust laws.
"Intellectual property" is a false, imagined construct, and trying to enforce that false construct is both wrong and futile. As they say, a secret once shared is no longer a secret. Information can't be controlled, and the defining quality of property is the ability to control it.
The production and distribution of information is a service, and should be treated as such. An author should be paid for his creation, and a publisher should be paid for the books it sells. But this should be seen in the proper context as a service. The information in those books, once published, cannot be controlled. The books can be scanned into a computer, or copied by hand. The stories they contain can be told and retold. The information cannot be controlled, and it is therefore foolish to consider it property.
As long as information is considered to be property, and this falsehood supported by law, people will break those laws though the simple act of communication. You may call us "pirates", but we are not villains. Communication is natural, and that is all we are doing. That the method we use to communicate is unlawful is not our fault, but that of unjust laws that enforce the false concept of "intellectual property".
patents and intellectual property rights...they are correct are they? WRONG!!! because the inventor of the saxophone got a patent, he held a monopoly over their sale and development. If someone made a musical instrument now, he could probably make it so that no one else can make any copy. Consider what would happen to music if that were the case??? If art or entertainment is produced for sake of people, then why not just give it to the intended audience. Also, what about the millions of things that have been laws which are basically useless. Some countries had laws to ban women from voting, and others stopped all but the elite from voting. We look upon these laws as barbaric now, will not our future generations think the same of the right of a man to make it so that a thing that is meant for all be relegated to the few courtesy of greed?
you say:
"Some of their Arguments are (quite ridiculous):
* Has Wikipedia ever had a trial...? They have giant articles about movies and music too.
* You can not be prosecuted if all you are doing is providing a host site for computers to communicate- is msn to go next?"
but then you do not go on to disprove the arguments and instead continue ranting about piracy.
Do not claim something to be ridiculous if you do not have prove to back up the claims.
I'm sorry....did you just quote piratebay users comments in your article? Did you ask permission for that?
I think it is ThePirateBay who shall go around asking permission to "index" pirated things from everyone out there who suffered because of piracy. I just did what you people (who wrote the nice comments) do.
Quoting some comments will not do harm but tell the thoughts of the "pirates" (not villains).
And do you think there needs to be some explanation that Wikipedia and msn are not supporting piracy? I think even a kid could tell that these are 'good' sites. You shall think and reason it out yourself, if you have the reasoning capacity...
Yes, ThePirateBay is supporting piracy, but till some extent, your comments are true. It is good for those who cannot pay for things. But did you ever think the loss of the people out there taking pains to create softwares and games and movies? If not, I think you shall think it now.
Who are you to deem any site "good"? On these "good" sites such as MSN you can look up the instructions to make bombs. Should we then prosecute the "good" sites for assisting in terrorist activities? These sites that you have deemed "good" are aiding in Terrorist activities.
Should we prosecute Yahoo because you can search how to make Crack Cocaine through them? Because they are suppliers of the information that causes most of the drugs to be on the streets in the US. Shouldn't we go after them too?
You vilify The Pirate Bay when they've done nothing wrong except show where torrents are located. Google can do the same thing.
You say it's against the law to share information like we do? Well, I say that when the law no longer works for the people, then it's time for the law to change.
I dont understand, why everyone who comes on this blog supports piracy. Has someone put a link of it on some piracy site?
Though, I would like to state that I am not writing anti-TPB posts here, but anti-piracy posts.
Again I shall say that what you guys say is not wrong under the circumstances you are in, but I found that piracy has gone to it's extremes, when I saw the Windows source codes on a torrent site. It is the users who are driving the torrent sites towards their fate. Had you not done that, I think, the sites would still be running well.
And yes, I would like to tell those who do not know, ThePirateBay keeps the Torrent files on it's own servers, and so, does not just tell where the torrent files are located. So, in a way it supports piracy.
People will always try to justify things even when they know they are wrong, that's life, get over it. For example I'm sure Hitler didn't think killing was right, but he justified killing 6 million Jews in his own mind.
The Pirate Bay and many other similar sites are just meeting places, just like bars/back alleys are meeting places for drug deals. It's going to happen whether or not it's criminal activity. Should the owners of these places be held responsible? That's for courts to decide.
Ranting in a blog and us people writing useless posts isn't going to fix the problem. If you don't advocate piracy then just don't do it. If you can justify to yourself that you aren't doing anything wrong, then good luck, hope you don't get caught in being made an example of.
"And yes, I would like to tell those who do not know, ThePirateBay keeps the Torrent files on it's own servers, and so, does not just tell where the torrent files are located. So, in a way it supports piracy."
It keeps the torrent files, but NOT the files being torrented. Those are kept on the users' computers, and always have been. Torrent files don't contain any movies/music/software/etc; they just track how to get those files. A torrent file's contents is analogous to a web address; all they do is point to other files. Thus, hosting a torrent file is analogous to hosting an html or php file containing links to webpages -- which is exactly what Google and other search engines do. Yet nobody argues that Google supports the contents of all the websites it links to. This may seem silly to you, but it is an important legal distinction. Going after TPB sets a bad precedent for any search-engine-like website. They SHOULD be going after the people who host and/or seed copyrighted material, since they are the ones actually breaking the law.
Furthermore, torrenting and piracy are NOT synonymous. Many small-budget content producers put their own content on torrent sites because it saves them money in bandwidth costs. I've seen people post their own indie music, open-source software, freeware, amateur novels, podcasts, etc. It was used to distribute the Wikipedia CD (a collection of articles for schools in poorer areas, who do not have access to the Internet). It's used to distribute content that is copyright-lapsed and cannot be found anywhere else (old movies and books). Blizzard and Valve both use p2p technology to distribute patches and updates for their games. Yes, lots of .torrent files out there link to illegal content, but so do lots of .html files. If everyone who torrents is a criminal, so is everyone who uses a web browser.
"But did you ever think the loss of the people out there taking pains to create softwares and games and movies"
Movies? I support them going to the cinema! Bands? I skip the middleman and give them directly my money going to their shows and buying their official merchandise! Software? I buy the games that have added value in them and are not crippled with abusive DRM (all my blizzard games are original for instance)!
You make the same baseless assumptions of the industry. First, that if a person downloads 10 games or movies in a month, they just lost the profit on those 500 movies BUT THAT IS RIDICULOUS for two reasons:
1- It ignores what said person actually bought! If that person played all those games and bought 5 of them, quickly deleting the other 5 after playing it for a while because they were utter crap, do you mean to tell me they should just have bought them all even though half of it were crap?
2- Just because someone downloads 200 movies in a month does NOT mean said person would BUY 200 movies in a month if the internet never existed!
The industry is not dying, it is being reborn. Those who cling to the old methods will vanish. Those who do nothing but profit on other people´s gains will dissapear. Look at iTunes, look at fucking Steam (where I recently bought the orange box for friggin $10! no middleman, no pricefixing)- THAT is what the industry needs instead of scare tactics and deceptive tactics - but they don't know any better, after all, they are the greatest leechers of all.
Try googling the game Sins of a Solar Empire - a game released WITHOUT any kind of DRMN - that still sold like water in the desert and you will understand a bit better how the whole thing works.
MPAA-RIAA can go suck on a fat cock. Their time is due now. With the development we see in technology, it is already possible to shoot your own movies, make your own games, cgs, and music with your own devices - and we see the result in the form of new and exciting FREE content all the time.
Music, games and movies will NEVER cease to exists, EVER! Maybe commercial artists will suffer, like Metallica, for example, and I say GOOD RIDDANCE TO THEM! There are many, many better bands out the who release their albums free of charge on the net for those who know where to seek.
If by pirating I will make Lars Ulrich's garage lose a ferrari or too, hell, my conscience can live with that.
And most important of all, no one can shut down the internet, as it is the people´s voice against price-fixing, scare-tactics, inflated prices and control of content.
This is our form of civil disobedience! It's the only way we, the people, can make our voices reach the big corporations, since even our congressmen are into their pockets.
heh I wouldn't be surprised if Hollywood, too, asked a bail from the taxpayers to compensate for their increasing "losses" - and with the increase of craptastic movies like Wolverine that they love to make, they honestly deserve to flunk...
we are talking about two different things here. so we can not ever get agreed.
1. is sharing files (piracy) bad?
2. does TPB have comminted crime action?
the 2nd is the easier question because according the sweediesh law as far as i know they dont. and here all of us have to read the law as it is and not confusing it with the 1st question. for that of course ones have to understand the techology of torrenting.
the 1st question is what is really a problematic issue. and here we can make debate from distinct point of view. and this issue leads us deeply behind the curtain. it is questioning the social structure of the european/capitalist system.
we have to ask questions first how piracy evolved and why it is really getting more popular? i know the answer but i think everybody can find it for himself.
secondly, if it happened so, souldnot the law makers (who's original goals is to behave for the benefit of their people since we are in democracy and not despotism or others) have to change the law accordingly to the evolving needs of people?
i know that is idealism but still so captivating imagination...
anyway law is the rule of social behavior organaising the individuals' connections to make society work and not a supernatural standard from Moses' box that is have to be kept in whatever conditions